Clive Bernard =1971 (Chichester) Thelma Anne (Smith)
b 28/7/1948 b. 17/9/1950
Police officer
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Gary Clive Sacha Anne
b. 7/3/1973 b. 1/6/1977
= 30/5/2004 Lianne Fowlie (b. 18/4/1978),
living in San Diego CA, USA in 2004

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From: "Clive B Brind" Date: 2006/10/23 Mon AM 11:07:36 BST To: yakbrind@tesco.net Subject: The Brinds Jonathan A couple of bits of info about the Brinds & Press cuttings The first below was a small article in the Mid Sussex Times. concerning my Grand parents Harry & Bessie Brind celebrating their Golden wedding. The second one is an article in the Brighton Argus about me retiring from the Police in 1996. Cheers Yaki
Golden Wedding cake was surprise gift

Saturday, July 31, was a very special day in the lives of Mr. and Mrs. Harry Brind, of 11 Hillcrest Lane, Scaynes Hill, for it was the fiftieth anniversary of their marriage, which took place at St. Nicholas Church, Plumstead, near Woolwich, in Kent.

Mr Brind, aged 75, and his 73-year-old wife, Bessie, are both Londoners. After their wedding they lived for a short time at Plumstead, but the greater part of their married life has been spent at nearby Abbey Wood. By profession, Mr. Brind was a production engineer and from 1951 until his retirement in 1955 he was engaged in London on an assignment for the Pakistani Government.

Two years ago, Mr and Mrs. Brind moved to Scaynes Hill. Their son and daughter-in-law live in Penland Road, Haywards Heath, while their daughter and her husband, with whom they spent their anniversary weekend, are living at Bexley, in Kent. There are four grandchildren.

To make their anniversary complete, the couple received a surprise gift-- a wedding cake from the Brighton Equitable Co-operative Society. Mrs Brind became a member of the Royal Arsenal Co-operative Society in 1917 , and on moving to Scaynes Hill she transferred her membership to the Brighton Society.

Mid Sussex Times, 1965.

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The highs and lows of a drugs detective

The longest serving drugs squad detective in Sussex is bowing out with a message to parents:" Please educate your children about drugs before it is too late"

Det Con Yaki Brind, pictured above, is retiring after 32 years with the force and reckons he has personally known more than 150 people die from drugs in his time with the Shoreham-based Sussex Drugs Squad.

Yaki, a nickname he acquired when he was a teenage police cadet, said: "You look at their ages, most were between 16 and 30, and you think 'What a waste of life'. It is so sad.

"And there is a great misconception that only people at the lower end of the social scale fall victim. The truth is, it affects all walks of life and the problem is getting worse."

Education , he said, was essential to steer as many youngsters away from drugs as possible. "Give them the correct information. Youngsters already know a lot and we should treat them as adults and give them the true picture.

"For instance, it is no good saying heroin is all bad. Yes, it is a killer, but it does have its uses in relieving pain for terminally-ill patients.

"We have to be frank and honest and in this way, hopefully, youngsters will say 'No' to drugs. We have successfully driven home the message that drink-driving is socially unacceptable and, hopefully, we can do the same with drugs."

Det Con Brind once wore long hair and beads and flowers in his hunt for pushers. He has felt hundreds of collars in him time but, he said, his main aim as a policeman was to save lives.

He said "All heroin users I have known started on softer drugs. I hope someone I nicked years ago for cannabis may still be walking this planet because he did not like being put in a cell.

That thought, the saving of a life, has made this job very worthwhile."

He said drugs squad officers genuinely feel sorry for addicts.

The popular image of a squad officer, someone who enjoys kicking down doors and busting abusers, is far from reality.

He said: "We are all human and have feelings like anyone else. Our job, first and foremost, is to preserve life."

Det Con Brind has received (number missing) commendations since joining the old West Sussex constabulary in 1964. The most notable was for his part in the arrest of two Mafia drug pushers from Peru at Worthing Hotel in 1979, and the recovery of two kilos of cocaine.

The bust led to the arrest of nine people in Holland, 42 in Italy and the recovery of 32 kilos of cocaine in Peru, a haul worth millions of pounds.

Sussex born and bred, Det Con Brind served in Brighton, Bognor, Hove and Shoreham, and may be the last officer to be leaving the drugs squad.

Reorganisation planned for next year may means the squad being merged to form a Serious Crime Unit.

Sussex Argus, September 27, 1996.

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From: BDM2918@aol.com
Date sent: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 12:06:16 EST
To: pegasus@build.prestel.co.uk Subject:
BRIND etc

Jonathan

I have now looked at my file and here is the limited version. I know that youwill have most, if not all of these details, but I am just trying to build the perspective. I have the baptismal dates of these and they were all at Aldboume. John BRIND = Sarah, their children were,
[i] Thomas Spruce 1859,
[ii] John James 1861
[iii] Elizabeth Ann 1864,
[iv] William Thomas 1866
[v] Sarah Ellen 1868,
[vi] Jane Maria 1870 and
[vii] Roseanna Spruce 1875.

Child # [ii] John married Eleanor BUNCE and their son, William John BRIND married Prudence Emily STROUD, their child, Anthony married a ....POVEY.

Eleanor BUNCE was the daughter ofWiliam & Emma, who in turn was the son of William & Eleanor, nee LIDDIARD, he was the son of John & Frances, nne KIMBER. I am descended from Mary a sister to William, and hence also a child of John & Frances.

The girl that Anthony BRIND married is the daughter of Shelia POVEY, she is related to me through my JEFFERIES line of Chiseldon. These tie in with WHERREL/WORRALL of Aldboume.

As of now I do not have the marriage of JOHN BRIND & Sarah, the baptism of William John or Anthony, the marriage of Anthony and ? POVEY. If you could supply any of that information I would be very pleased. Thanks, Beryl


Jonathan Brind - 1 - Sat, 16 Jan 1999 12:34:34

2/1/1999

10 Kingston Lane Shoreham by Sea W.Sussex BN43 6YB
Tel. 01273 883899

Dear Jonathan,

Sorry it has it has been so long since I have got back to you but I have gone off on a tangent with the BRIND family tree. My wife's mothers name is McCOURT and we had an opportunity to visit a long lost Aunty in Vancouver Canada, and as my company were offering cheap flights off we went. So we had a really fantastic 1998 and hope this year will be as half as good. Now back to the BRIND's, I have enclosed my bit of the BRIND's & have marked your tree, I don't know if you can fill in any dates etc.. I have E mailed the Metropolitan Police & they can confirm that Herbert BRIND born 24/8/1859 did serve with them & he died in 1904 at the age of 44 years, but more research will have to be done as they can find no pension or widows pension or infact anything else about him which they find strange but that say that I should contact the Public Record Office & look at the Leavers Ledger MEPO 21. Well if my Granddad is right she Annie DOLLERY died in 1900, therefore no widows pension & that confirms what my Granddad told me that he was orphaned when his Dad died at the age of 15 years. Well cheers for now & Happy New Year to you & all my far off relatives.

Yours faithfully,


From: Self
To: Yaki
Subject: I happened to be in Islington
Send reply to: pegasus@build.prestel.co.uk
Date sent: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 12:39:30 +0100

Hi Yaki,

I sent you a new tree a few days ago. You will see this adds another four daughters to the family of Richard & Sarah. I happened to be in Islington the other day so I went into the family history centre and ordered a birth certificate for Maria Sarah (born 1838). This will give an address and a maiden name for Sarah. I will pick it up either on Tuesday or next Saturday.

How did you get the Henry/ Elizabeth family? Did it come solely from the 1881 census and if so what made you linke them to your family? I found this very interesting because the family included a Walter (born 1861) who was not on my births database. So when I was at the family history centre I took a look at the birth entries in 1861 and sure enough I had missed all the births in one quarter of the year. This sometimes happens because the books go in for repair or are just not available when you do the search.

You say Annie Brind nee Dollery died in 1900. It's possible but I have no Annie Brind dying that year on my database. The closest I have is an Annie Brind aged 50 whose death was registered in Woolwich in the fourth quarter of 1907. She would have been born in about 1857 which is fairly close to 1854, given the propensity of people to lie about their age.

I also have a Herbert Brind who died in Woolwich (registered third quarter of 1915) at the age of 56 and was therefore born in 1859. However, the evidence of the Met Police that Herbert Brind died in 1904 plus the evidence of your grandfather that he was orphaned in 1904 (ie when he was 15) is very strong. I will therefore go and have another look at the register of the deaths in 1904 and 1905, to see if I have made a mistake. However, there are only two Herbert Brinds listed in the 1881 census. One, aged 22, was your ancestor. The other, aged five months, would only have been 34 in 1915.

Jonathan


Jonathan Brind - 1 - Sat, 23 Jan 1999 12:44:49
From: "Mr Brind" To: Subject: Re: BRIND Family Tree
Date sent: Sun, 6 Sep 1998 00:39:24+0100

Jonathan

Thanks to the census you produced here I was able to confirm the detailsconcerning my Great Grandfather a herbert BRIND bn 25/8/1859 who was aMetropolitan Police Officer in 1881 in Digs in Whitechapel. He was one ofnine children everyone appearing in the census. His father was the RichardWilliam BRIND who I believe may have lived at The Farm House, The Slade,Plumstead.

My Grand father Herbert Harry BRIND bn12/12/89 is my source as he did asmall family tree when he was alive & it's been handed down to me. His only claimto fame was, he was a Manager in the Woolwich Arsenal for many years & wasawarded the Imperial Service Medal in 1950. He was the only child ofRichard BRIND (the PoliceOfficer) & I am a product of his son as is my brother Stephen Donald bn20/7/1953. I have followed my Great Grandfather as I am a retired Police Officer having served over 30 years with the Sussex Police and am now aSpecial Agent for American Express in Brighton. I have just purchased a CDROM GSP Family Tree and have so far over three hundred names although I am going to struggle a bit with my mother's name BROWN although I have managed to get back to 1750 with alittle help from a far off relative. Where is your BRIND family out of? Could I be a far off relative & could I lay claim to the Coat of Arms?
Cheers Yaki Brind


From: Jonathan Brind To: yakbrind@mistral.co.uk
Subject: Re: BRIND Family Tree
Date: 05 September 1998 20:27

Hi Yaki,

Thanks for your email. I don't know how you're getting information about (Richard William BRIND bn 25/5/1834). He's new to me and I too would like more information about him. How did you find him? I'd be very pleased to draw you a family tree on a dtp system, if you could send me

Jonathan Brind

2 - Mon, 7 Sep 1998 07:35:24
details of your forebears.
Jonathan
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From: "Mr Brind" To: Subject: BRIND Family Tree
Date sent: Sat, 5 Sep 1998 16:40:44+0100

Good Day

I expect you have a number of takers of The Name 'BRIND' and here's another one,

I am Clive Bernard BRIND bn 28/07/1948 & come from Plumstead London, my father Bernard Herbert BRIND bn 08/09/1918 comes from Abbeywood as does his father Herbert Harry BRIND bn12/12/1889. I have only managed so far to go back to a Richard William BRIND bn 25/5/1834, Plumstead Common. I am a new boy at both Genealogy & only went on the Net last week.So finding you so early in my trawl of the net may help me to short cut thing?

Cheers
C.B.BRIND (Nickname Yaki)


Jonathan Brind - 3 - Mon, 7 Sep 1998 07:35:24
From: SelfTo: yakbrind@mistral.co.uk
Subject: Re: BRIND Family Tree
Send reply to: ed@build.co.uk
Date sent: Sun, 6 Sep 1998 23=05:43 +0100

HiYaki,

Great to hear from you again so soon. I will try to produce a tree from the information you have sent, then we can develop it. I am very impressed with your source of information. There are five main sources birth certificates, marriage certificates, death certificates, censuses and parish registers. The Mormons have kindly gone through many of the parish registers and put entries on a database. Their databases are not always completely comprehensive and need to be checked. They are, however, a good starting point and I have copied all the Brind entries onto a database of my own. Your earliest relative is not listed on the Mormon database (known as the IGI and obtainable at your local library, probably), or at least he is not listed on my copy of the IGI. Of course, the IGI is updated regularly so that your ancestor may have been listed in a more recent IGI than I have seen. So far as birth, marriage and death certificates are concerned they don't start until about 1837 (I write from memory) and in England it costs you more than a fiver to get each certificate. You can, however, look at the index of certificates and this gives you most of the information. I have copied every Brind entry into a database so I can tell you the probable date of death of your earliest ancestor, but not his birth date. Censuses are the best source of information because, by and large, they're free. However censuses are hand written and many of them have deteriorated a lot since the Victorian era. No one person could look through the entire census it's just too tall an order. The Mormons have however produced a database of the 1881 census and I have copied all the Brind entries. Other censuses are available in dribs and drabs. For example about three counties of the 1851 census has been copied by the Mormons and is available on a very cheap cd. If you want any of the databases I have copied let me know and I will email you a copy.

However, your best bet is probably to take a look at the 1841 and the 1851 censuses for the area in which your family lived. You can find this at the family history centre in Islington.

Finally I would not advise you to try too hard on the Brown line. That way lies insanity. The numbers are very large: probably a million names. Most people would find that would take them about 1,000 years to do if they worked 12 hours a day seven days a week!

Jonathan

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